On (Not?) Being a Sub

I'm not at all sure about labelling myself 'a sub'. Calling myself a masochist seems straightforward, because I enjoy being hurt, but submissive? I dunno.

There's the old question of 'who's really in charge?'. And I think I may well be 'a reaction top' in the sense that I like to provoke and control the man who's supposedly dominating me, by torturing him with his own desire to hurt/fuck me.

Of course it's narcissistic: I'm very turned on by seeing someone else's unwilling desire for me, a desire they don't want to feel. And exploiting that desire to get them to do things they are intellectually or morally uncomfortable with. Like making me bleed, or cheating on their partners (I'm trying to be honest here, not to justify any of this).

Because then they're angry with me. They want me - but they also want to punish me for making them want me. And that's when they push me down or grab me by the hair and fuck me harder, too hard. And I have a sort of sense of triumph.

I'm not sure that submission is an accurate description of this. I like to be hurt and dominated, but I don't see myself as submitting to that domination. What I want is to be forcibly overpowered, not to consent to it.

Ever since I was a child, I've liked arm-wrestling men: women too, but especially men. I've almost always lost, but I never, ever, let them win, and (in any context) I'm furious if I feel like someone's doing that to me. Where's the satisfaction in winning if it isn't real?

I like the idea of real wrestling, tumbling and struggling, heavy breathing: halfway between fighting and fucking. And ultimately being restrained, a hand over my mouth, being held down by one or more blokes as they use me. The idea that there is, in the end, nothing I can do about it - and I know because I tried.

MSN 1: Two People Trying to Destroy Each Other

02:40:33 yeah

02:41:05 think it's a possibly misogynistic control thing. Just want to hold you down and keep you down and please myself

02:41:26 shut me up

02:41:31 and use me

02:41:56 yeah, stop you...talking back. Or something. Just take what I want from you.

02:42:32 i have a very distinct memory of my face pushed against brick.. a wall maybe.. damp from the rain

02:42:48 and you pressed hard against my back , with your hands wound in my hair

02:43:20 see...I don't understand why, but you make me feel violent. I've had that with some people but not with everyone. I don't understand the chemistry of it.

02:43:59 i love that. it charges me up so much.

02:44:48 makes me want to struggle just to be restrained harder

02:45:22 * thinking *

02:45:41 * feeling *

02:45:54 * wan --

02:46:35 I want to...I suppose my lying on your back thing, the root is, I want to possess you and make you helpless

02:47:23 its hard to analyse this stuff... when you say "you make me feel violent".. that hits me in the pit of my stomach.. in such a good way

02:48:08 yeah...my curiosity is, I don't feel that way about everyone. I was very violent with H (D's ex), but it's not my norm.

02:48:27 well, a few possibilities

02:48:37 its to do with her and me - the fact we want it

02:48:48 or its to do with the context

02:49:40 I think it's partly being intimidated and bewitched at the same time...makes me want to physically and mentally crush you in revenge

02:50:03 yes. its a lot to do with the fact that i argue with you and challenge you and exhaust you

02:50:20 R and i are like that... not always, but often ..and at first, always

02:51:16 yeah, you're a more dominant personality than me. So there's a massive backlash.

02:52:11 It makes it D H Lawrence style sex. 'He could only conceive of the sex act as two people trying to destroy each other' -- Earl Russell.

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